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If anyone's seen my meme thread, you know my opinion of police ("fuck 'em")

I think people in Minneapolis are totally justified in laying siege to the police station. Allegedly, Chauvin, the cop who killed George Floyd had shot 3 other people (https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2020/05/derek-michael-chauvin-minneapolis-police-officer-subject-of-complaints-police-brutality/) and had 10-17 complaints logged against him, and the cases were closed or in some other way nullified without him being charged with murder/manslaughter, so the PD was protecting him and a number of others with similar transgressions. The PD's official statement said Floyd died due to "medical complications". That's an interesting way to spell "fatally asphyxiated by a feral pig".

Did he commit a crime? Yes. A violent crime? No

He was deprived of due process, which violates his Constitutional rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_Process_Clause)

Cops have an unwritten code of silence against reporting crimes committed by their colleagues. That means there are effectively only two kinds of cops: bad cops, and good cops who choose to not speak up whether from ignorance or fear of retaliation

Minneapolis will be the first city to ban militaristic "warrior-style training". Again, just because they've banned it doesn't mean cops won't continue such tactics or pursue such training on the DL, and protect each other with the "blue wall", so we will fuckin see about that...

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gsede5 Armed individuals are defending small businesses from looters. There is only one shooting I know of, the context of which was a pawn shop owner defending his shop from a looter. Minnesota's "duty to retreat" law means that the pawn shop owner faces murder charges (https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/john-rieple/) because business owners aren't allowed to defend their stores with lethal force, because the stores are not their homes. Overall, the "hicks" and various black business owners and peacekeepers have been doing a better job, numbers considered, at keeping order than the police.

As for the looting? I don't approve of it. At the end of the day, if you burn down a store in your community, the only people you're hurting are your neighbors. Burn down a Target or AutoZone? There goes a place to buy groceries, necessities, and diversions. The corporation will likely be able to claim insurance so their losses will be minimal. There goes some of your neighbors' jobs, though. People looting small businesses are hurting their neighbors. There's no reason for it. It seems really fucked up to me that some people are like "Dude, this guy died of totally unjust causes, time to grab 4 TVs while the cops are distracted!" There's a small part of me, though, that thinks the looting - however selfish, or coming from a place of high time preference - is drawing attention to the more important issue.

"Umbrella Man" is a mysterious figure seen with a law-enforcement-style gas mask and an umbrella, to obscure his identity from security cameras. Some have claimed he may have law-enforcement/military training due to his equipment and maneuvers (breaking line of sight, standing at an angle to obscure his identity) and unusual behavior from the typical looters and protestors. "Umbrella Man" was identified as J. Pederson, a Minneapolis cop, though the PD denies this (https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/jacob-pederson-auto-zone-cop-not-umbrella-man/). Explanations have ranged from him being an AntiFa, Black Bloc, fed posing as an AntiFa/protestor, or other manner of agent provocateur. Some text screenshots have been distributed (why would you have your ex wife's gas mask of all things??), but I'm not aware that his identity has been officially confirmed at this time

UPDATE: in a bizarre twist, BLM and AntiFa besiege the CNN headquarters in Atlanta (reddit.com/r/kotakuinaction2/comments/gt3q23) AND CNN journalists got arrested in front of their own camera by Minneapolis police (https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/h_4ed08403663fa4ed3518221d0f2a1552). Even if they can't agree on anything else, at least they can agree the mainstream media can go fuck themselves

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humon

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Looks like a boogaloo of the Rodney King riots. Americans are crazy. I guess you can put some of it down to the widespread belief that two wrongs somehow make a right, mixed with a dose of selfishness (from the looters) and opportunism (from the anarchist elements), plus some kind of race war angle that's peculiar to the States.

As much as I hate to wax authoritarian, this is the sort of situation where a strong show of force is needed. The kind of people who smash things and loot stores are cowards who do these things because they know they can get away with it. When the hammer of state force comes down, they run away. Machiavelli describes ruling as a balance between being the fox who dances carefully around traps, and being the lion who scares the wolves away. It's now time for the lion to come out, only briefly, until the wolves have turned around and gone back where they came from. Then the peaceful portion of the protest can be free to carry on without having to be associated with violence and destruction going on in the background.
 
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Part of me thinks someone should restore order because there’s totally a lot of damage being caused

Part of me thinks society deserves this to play out. We can create whatever utopian myth we want when everything is safe, but crisis - like this and coronavirus - makes things that don’t work fall apart rapidly. Many things that were unpopular to acknowledge are coming to light

One big one is you cannot just sit back as individuals and think “meh, the government will take care of it”. The govt has its own interests first, and they will run you over with cars/horses and pepper spray you if your interests conflict. A lot of individuals are being total fuckwits looting and being violent, but there are other individuals who are doing a lot better than the police at maintaining order. It’s hard work to take responsibility for your needs and safety but it makes you harder to victimize

I hope as a society we let the “old wood” burn away and come out of this knowing better. We probably won’t though.
 

humon

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It can be a bit cathartic to think of it as a Joker moment (or the end of Fight Club), when the Thomas Waynes of the world get what they deserve. But the problem is they usually don't, and instead it's always the little guy who gets screwed.

My greatest concern is that if this is all being organized by Antifa, then they will only get bolder if nobody stops them. They already know from their experience in Portland that when the authorities are spineless they can pretty much do anything they want. They'll attack more cities (including cities outside the USA) and cause more and more damage, because they think and act like a pack of hyenas, taking whatever they can get. Or they're like spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum just to see how the adults react. Whatever it is, weakness only encourages them.

Antifa's end goal is the total destruction of western civilization, presumably so they can replace it with some kind of communist dictatorship (and become kings of the ashes: they are descendants of biblical Cain, IMO, driven by hatred of those who are successful). Only people like George Soros, Vladimir Putin, and Xi Jinping benefit from this kind of chaos in the west, which is why they stir it up, whether through direct funding or indirect social media trolling. If it's allowed to work, they'll just keep on doing it.

Someone has to restore order, whether that's the National Guard or just ordinary citizens with guns. But I suspect the latter could escalate badly, as people easily get confused in a fog of war when nobody is wearing uniforms, so I'd advise the former be attempted first, since that's what it's there for.
 
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Didn’t Trump declare AntiFa a terrorist group?

That’s part of the order of things becoming clear. There are a bunch of videos from peaceful protestors showing AntiFa lighting shit on fire, smashing windows, etc., and the people recording them are like “fuck off you’re not even black you’re making us look bad”

They're a bunch of middle-class brats and this incident is making that apparent
 

humon

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Also this couple right here...


My favourite academic power couple talking about both the riots and the virus over the span of an hour or so
 

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1) As of yet, there is no evidence suggesting Antifa involvement in the rioting, according to the FBI and independant experts. The tweet referenced by Trump was attributed to "Antifa US" was linked to a white supremacist group known as Identity Evrope and promptly shut down.
2) Trumps ongoing threat to label Antifa as a terror group will inevitably go nowhere given that: a- no federal law exists to designate domestice organizations as terrorists; b- Antifa is not a "Group" in that it has no defined membership, methodology, or philosophy; and c- There are, as of yet, no known cases of Antifa activists organizing with the explicit goal of causing violence, according to the NSA.
3) The presence of the so-called Boogaloo Boys (alongside other alt-right groups) coupled with calls for violence by affiliates on social media, makes it just as plausible some of the vandalism is tied to false flag operations by groups wholly antagonistic toward the Antifa and BLM positions.

To reference the video by Mr. Schmachtenberger, it can be tempting to jump on the narrative that supports you agenda without taking the time to analyze the information that we actually have (approxomately none). You call the stone-throwers "Antifa" without stopping to think what evidence exists to suggest these people have any particular politcal leaning. You buy Trump's narrative, the one that depends on defining his opposition alone as culpable, unwilling to accept that maybe, just maybe, we who are not there, have no idea what's actually going on
 

humon

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I didn't really follow what Trump was saying on it, but based on the patterns of what I've seen from the images and videos from the riots, it matches antifa's MO very closely. It could also be spontaneous criminals (such as the ones that were released from jails during the covid lockdown), but then spontaneous criminals don't prepare the protest zone in advance with stacks of bricks. Agents provocateurs could have been involved to some degree, at least at the beginning, but then I'm also hearing that police have been ordered not to engage with the rioters in a lot of these cities, so that would certainly defeat the purpose of any police-initiated false flags. And they certainly wouldn't have shot those two federal officers in whatever city that was (it's all a blur, really), or that old ex-cop in the other place.

This thing about Boogaloo Boys... I've never heard that name mentioned anywhere before it became a talking point surrounding this event, so I have to wonder if it's even a real group, or just a media construct created to project antifa's sins onto the political right. I mean, they could be a real group, but how large could they be if this is the first I'm hearing of them? How many cities could they attack at once? And if their goal is to start a civil war, as the Boogaloo name suggests, surely there are better ways to do that than pretending to be antifa and looting stores? My understanding of those who use the term Boogaloo on the internet is that their position is to be ready for a civil war if it happens (or if Uncle Sam comes for their guns), but not to intentionally start one.

By contrast, antifa has been around for years, ever since Trump's first presidential run, and they've been consistently picking fights, damaging property, and intimidating anyone who tries to oppose them. They're widely distributed, and far more organized than they let on ("Hiding your power", they call it). There are Soros-funded groups that provide bail and legal support for them, and some of their members are journalists who write opinion pieces to provide political cover for their activities. The NSA may not have recorded any cases of planned violence because the violence they commit is always spontaneous. Nobody got together and planned out how they were going to assault Andy Ngo; they just saw him at one of their gatherings, recognized his face, and came after him as a mob (likewise when they beat up some rando because he's wearing an American flag t-shirt and they think that makes him a Proud Boy, or when they beat up some Jewish guy for being in the same building as a Proud Boys event).

I don't know whether declaring them terrorists will have any effect or not in practical terms, but it would be a big mistake not to take them seriously as a threat to peaceful society. They're not a defined "Group" in the same way that a pack of wild dogs is not a "Group" but will still tear you apart if you turn your back on them. I don't know whether I agree with Trump on the terrorist designation or not, since I'm hearing it would rely on some provisions in the Patriot Act (why is that even still on the books?), but if declaring them terrorists in some way stops or slows the flow of money in their direction, that should be a net positive for liberal democracy (unless it backfires and triggers a Boogaloo somehow).
 
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A guy with a post count of 5, who doesn't RP, clearly has leftist views, and whose longest post on this site is defending Antifa knows perfectly well what Antifa is about

Don't cast pearls before swine
 

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Keep it civil, people. Don't participate in a thread for "worldly topics" if you don't want to encounter opposing viewpoints.

If you feel like shit talking, take to Embrace the Flames. This is a warning to ALL users.
 
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